Wild Woman Rising — Julie Mosmuller on Perimenopause, Sacred Rage & the Edge of Aliveness, with Julia Neumann

00:00:14: This is Radically Alive Women's

00:00:16: Agecast.

00:00:20: What do you think of our new introduction?

00:00:23: Crafted from our raw immersion earlier this year in New Zealand, Aotearoa and we hope it pleases your ears and inspires you.

00:00:35: And this conversation is a first.

00:00:39: My name is Julia Neumann.

00:00:41: I am here meeting with the woman without knowing beforehand who I would encounter.

00:00:48: Had no name, had no reference point –

00:00:51: only knew

00:00:51: i was going to meet someone that my then team member Mia Harrison organised

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00:00:57: what emerges is a wonderful conversation about topics related in one way or another to birthing a wise woman, the perimenopausal times of change the times of power and the place of rage in this transition, right-of passage.

00:01:19: I hope you enjoy The Pace In The Depth Of This Conversation with Julie Mosmuller.

00:01:29: Yeah,

00:01:41: so

00:01:44: I had no idea who i would be seeing on the other side.

00:01:48: And I'm glad to meet you here in this unknown space between us.

00:01:54: So This is Radically Live Women Agecast.

00:01:56: it's honest conversations amongst women and The purpose Is really To inspire courage and empower women to walk their own path?

00:02:06: so that each get if Each of Us gets to Unfold her Own uniqueness fully and unapologetically connected to the root, radical.

00:02:19: Your name is Julie or Julie?

00:02:22: Yes!

00:02:25: Where are you right now?

00:02:27: I'm in Greece on Crete for eight years but just moved from the north coast catching me kind of in the middle of settling and unpacking.

00:02:43: And it's actually, uh... The first recorded conversation I'm doing in my yard?

00:02:50: It's a transition!

00:02:53: You're in a

00:02:53: transition?!

00:02:54: Well okay we are at similar spot right now in New Zealand and about to travel to Germany on Friday so also transiting.

00:03:06: I usually ask this question, it works really well.

00:03:09: Who are you right now?

00:03:10: I don't even need to know what do but who are

00:03:13: you?".

00:03:15: So i'm a woman in transition... ...I moved here to the south coast after my partner of seven years and me.

00:03:27: we separated a few months ago.. ..and decided that wanted like to have fresh start and come to a part of the island that I'd always loved.

00:03:40: Really with my heart, where my journey on this Island started also which meant giving up... ...the beautiful countryside home we had been renovating Where even have my own studio To host circles in sessions In person online.

00:04:00: But i really felt it's time to shift into a new place.

00:04:05: And that is very much part also of transitioning inwardly, like I'm really feeling the Permanent Post-Transition very much... ...I work a lot with that as well as a rite of passage and initiation.. ..and i feel it myself because there's so much changing within me and needs to be reflected on outside too.

00:04:29: However this whole The process of manifesting this, creating the space has been super smooth.

00:04:37: And then just the last three weeks have been incredibly messy!

00:04:42: So

00:04:43: like literally having a big scooter accident which means I can hardly walk... This house is up on a cliff so i have to walk on village paths..I can't really with my foot.

00:04:53: ..i have to ask almost everything.

00:04:56: other people help me In the healing process, all kinds of things went wrong.

00:05:03: It's like... Wow!

00:05:07: Even just now I was preparing and somehow I ate something that didn't sit well.

00:05:12: so i'm feeling kind of unsettled but I felt okay we're on the edge let go with it Let show up to see what emerges from here.

00:05:28: And I'm really like, receiving all these signals of course.

00:05:32: and i am not quite sure yet where it's landing.

00:05:35: is the place telling me no this isn't the right one or is it telling you approve to be here?

00:05:43: Or yeah...I don' t know what is brewing with that.

00:05:49: so its a very interesting moment that your catching on.

00:05:55: It's

00:05:58: such a fascinating experience to witness you and listen to your speak.

00:06:02: And I can so quickly go into assumptions or, as we say here holding space for transitions rights of passage.

00:06:09: So guessing you do women's work when you save it about what Europe?

00:06:15: Maybe again saying yes Yes, that also has the manifestation in What You Do and I'm not so much interested in what do you do but in there is the expression off that comes through you and that, that you express in the world.

00:06:29: That's what you are excited about?

00:06:32: Yeah yeah it is a lot to do with um... The wildness-the sacredness of our nature as women or anyone identifying us woman.

00:06:45: And It is really.. Through my own experience of perimenopause its really rooted In that all aspects of the wild woman who I feel very much coming alive.

00:06:55: I think for the past five years, that's really been shifting my calling or what I offer into the world from focused on all aspects of cyclical living and the menstrual cycle in different archetypes.

00:07:15: As a shifted really to Wild Woman myself... ...I find this very expansive so much to explore within as a rite-of passage And especially the qualities of rawness, of aliveness... ...of anger or fury and rage.

00:07:34: Big transformations that come through us both strongly physically but also very much psychologically as the soul is going.

00:07:47: for me it's a whole initiation into the wise woman years beyond menopause, and so everything that's not essential to our soul calling on this planet is really just falling away.

00:07:59: And it's not always pretty as goes with rites of

00:08:03: passage.".

00:08:05: I think you are familiar with that also?

00:08:10: Yes!

00:08:11: It might happen also that i get this red face while we speak because I'm in the middle off... Of a transition myself.

00:08:21: Yes, I love to be like...I could make this a problem and what i choose is instead Be curious of this exquisite experience.

00:08:28: What my body can do becoming so sensitive And i'm curious to hear more about your experience.

00:08:34: but Like what?

00:08:34: I know This Is.

00:08:35: i'm becoming So sensitive To slight shifts in temperature outside or weather Outside But also inside.

00:08:42: so A droplet Of fear a drop level of anger Can ignite the whole flare up hot sweaty face.

00:08:50: And then going down again, but it can also be zero point zero one degree change in temperature and my body goes like whoa something changed!

00:08:57: It's hot.

00:08:58: yeah that's regulated.

00:09:00: let's do something about it.

00:09:02: I'm glad you're mentioning the wise woman because i was living with a pregnant friend like physically pregnant friend just recently.

00:09:11: she is actually birthing her child But She Also Is Getting So Sensitive That By Being Around Her.

00:09:18: I'm in such a liquid state often that

00:09:21: it's

00:09:22: like, um...I'm birthing something too but i am not birthing child.

00:09:25: Im birthing wise woman and its an old claim for me to make.

00:09:29: I have say im birthing a wise women..but thats true!

00:09:34: There is nothing to that.

00:09:36: what your experience?

00:09:37: You said five years you've been going through or noticed it?

00:09:42: Yes From, and then I mean really the early stages of perimenopause.

00:09:48: Now i feel that im in middle And because a big part my journey has been menstrual cycle awareness Really being very much in tune with my bleed The whole cycle of different phases of the menstrual cycles So could really sense very early on there were changes happening Like no longer being twenty-eight days and the bleed itself, being shorter.

00:10:16: In my case actually less heavy.

00:10:18: many women get it heavier but for me became lighter.

00:10:24: And then with that came this whole sense of No longer wanting to put up with a lot things before I had put up With?

00:10:38: Now i know That is alot to do At least, I experience it like that.

00:10:45: The estrogen changes so much and this is the hormone that allows or incentivizes us to just give and be full of love and care when that's no longer present the rose-tinted glasses that we get when we ovulate, they are no longer there.

00:11:06: so it's like okay I'm less likely to compromise.

00:11:10: iIm less likely put other needs before mine which of course anyway is a process that we learn.

00:11:17: Okay!

00:11:18: I am an adult and looking after my own needs but if find out in perimenopause It becomes almost this physical thing Oh I cannot... I don't want too In partnership..in family relations.

00:11:30: And then yeah, with the progesterone you notice this kind of.

00:11:35: it is a bit of sedative.

00:11:38: So when there's also changes than we don't have that kind of buffer anymore.

00:11:43: so everything comes in more direct like say every thing is sensitive.

00:11:48: I actually you know, not every woman going through perimenopause has hot flashes.

00:11:53: I don't actually but i do have many other symptoms that even before...I didn't know they were connected with it like issues in the bones or allergies like hives on the skin.

00:12:06: all things are really calling out hey okay so what is it your body needs nutritionally because then the allergy doesn't happen?

00:12:19: how do you need to move in alignment so that actually your joints don't hurt too much?

00:12:25: So I find it really calling out this next level of being responsible for your health and also kind of preparing for the next phase of life.

00:12:38: The more we now look after our body, the more it pays off as well in decades ahead.

00:12:48: In this journey, I've also found it really important to name that.

00:12:54: It's actually not only my responsibility like there is also so much environmental influence on my hormones personally Like i cannot control as much As I eat healthily and I live healthily And all that they're still structural things That are impacting how what My body receives because I'm part of the society and part Of This world.

00:13:19: So that means like, you know toxins environmentally but also more emotional toxins of patriarchy and unfair power dynamics.

00:13:29: And all these things.

00:13:31: yeah we can take responsibility for our part.

00:13:34: then there's the other parts being incarnated in this body life time at times.

00:13:43: so I find it really important to name them myself.

00:13:50: How do you handle the environment?

00:13:54: I

00:13:58: live in a small village on the south coast now by the sea.

00:14:03: It's good!

00:14:05: And, i'm sitting under mulberry tree that soon will give fruits and all of this.

00:14:13: So it is very clean.

00:14:17: But for example And most of Crete and especially in the South Coast is very patriarchal.

00:14:23: It's, in a way, very traditional.

00:14:25: so people are close to land.

00:14:27: you still have shepherds roaming with their flocks... ...and people make their own cheeses and milks and all that.

00:14:35: There is also kind of cruelty towards animals or disregard for... to how they treat them, what goes in the products.

00:14:49: What comes out of it?

00:14:51: Not everyone.

00:14:52: but there is this sometimes just ignorance and also because there's so much financial pressure on people here that feel like you have to cut some corners.

00:15:04: So I always find very interesting about We can try to create a healthy environment as possible and also accept that we live in this world.

00:15:24: I lived actually for long time before coming here, I lived in Oroville in South India which is an intentional community in Tamil Nadu big spiritual community In the forest.

00:15:37: it's very beautiful especially my first years there at my early thirties maybe idealistic in a sense of being as pure, as possible for everything that went into my body.

00:15:52: But after some time I also started to notice the control element can come with it's bit like we could eat healthy and then almost become an eating disorder right?

00:16:09: There is even name for orthorexia And so than doesn't service because there is this kind of anxiety and control over everything should be pure.

00:16:21: So, over the years I'm finding that yes... ...I am still really looking after my body and choosing what i want to eat And also have a kind of flexibility in understanding That I Am In This World Right Now As It Is.

00:16:40: So if you could change one thing about The world right now Just click your fingers and it's changed.

00:16:45: What would you change?

00:16:47: Matriarchy, I mean from patriarchy to matriarchy as in yeah but not.

00:16:53: what do you mean by that?

00:16:54: Yeah It is always important too name that for me doesn't mean women replace men at the top of a pyramid But it means to meet create a circle Of man-and-woman protecting life.

00:17:09: So we are no longer operating in hierarchies, we are not operating in a kind of extraction mode for constant profit and growth.

00:17:21: Depleting our resources off the earth up ourselves but instead embrace some more acyclic approach to life which is ultimately really just nurturing life The plants...the animals..our children....our cells.

00:17:40: Then I think we have a much better chance also to create an environment that actually supports us.

00:17:46: I mean, physically like what you're just saying then it would be much easier to have a healthy environment.

00:17:53: yeah yes i want To ask some questions or so view is up?

00:17:59: Yes

00:18:03: especially because I know That You work A lot with this.

00:18:06: I love This Is one of the idea The The things that got me very excited about talking with you here is this idea of the edge and beyond patriarchy.

00:18:16: So I work a lot with it.

00:18:17: also, And i know what you do too.

00:18:21: so im curious to see how patriarchy resonates for you or not?

00:18:29: Great

00:18:33: question!

00:18:35: Yeah, I noticed in me something happens sort of a resistance to the word matriarchy because it has been there like matriarchy Has already existed and night.

00:18:44: It invokes an idea And I hear you speak of something else but I it invokes An idea of going back in In time and I don't want to go back in time.

00:18:53: I see we need Something else right now?

00:18:55: And i'm very much with You.

00:18:57: I Want Like I am part Of I want to create a different culture.

00:19:02: And, and i used to do culture out there... ...I wanted change the culture of their own needs.

00:19:07: to change for sure but also notice how much.. ..the culture are they're emerges from the culture that have in here.

00:19:14: So what I want is see as radical collaboration amongst adult human beings like really matured internally adult human being's whole space for the sacredness of life.

00:19:28: In some contexts that I've been in, they call it archiarchy.

00:19:32: Like archetypally initiated men and women collaborating... ...in other context i have heard the word whole-archie or the wholeness of beings comes together And I think it warrants us to invent new language so we don't get stuck in old thought patterns.. ..and I do see the necessity to have a culture also.

00:19:52: where is The culture that puts a lot of focus also on centering around women's wisdom, where the feminine has been so undervalued and underrepresented in large parts of the world.

00:20:07: It is quite a journey for me to actually acknowledge it.

00:20:11: myself too find this edge in my self fogged by the thoughts that float around everywhere and it can be so easy to just think, That's what It is.

00:20:26: And notice I'm waking up my rage also often like on occasion its not all of time but my rage off realizing oh my god there another edge where i was asleep still justifying certain things in front myself or in front others.

00:20:46: I think thats just how it has been true.

00:20:51: And I'm discovering the beauty of radically collaborating with women on that edge, hey okay let's not be asleep together.

00:21:01: who are you?

00:21:02: what is it?

00:21:02: That's your fire how?

00:21:04: and no... It's not my job to change you!

00:21:06: It's NOT MY JOB TO PULL YOU ANYWHERE OR CARRY YOU ON MY SHOULDERS.

00:21:11: AND WHEN I SEE SOMETHING THAT WHERE i notice well something happens in me now still can I bring it so that you can decide what to do with it.

00:21:21: And, So... I'm really excited about the feminine way of moving in the world and i see there's so much beauty in That!

00:21:29: There is so much Beauty In Moving Alongside The Masculine Way Of Moving In The World where each has its place and that excites me.

00:21:38: My age Is Really To Identify These Patterns In Myself get lost in transforming myself and become a better person, but actually apply it.

00:21:50: And everyday interactions with the people around me to show up differently so that world can shape also itself differently or has to because my shape is different.

00:22:06: What's coming for you as I'm listening?

00:22:08: For me this kind of interesting interplay possibly with where it is that we find ourselves on this planet, on this earth.

00:22:21: So for me being on Crete has been a very deep connection to the Earth and with rooting and with earthing It's a very different energy from when I'm in Orville In South India And here you have very much the ancient pre-Hellenic.

00:22:42: I mean no one civilization There is this actual lived matriarchy that was most likely there.

00:22:51: Again, not as women ruling but the divine feminine at the core of society.

00:22:57: in India it's again a very different expression and in New Zealand Of course It's all different again.

00:23:05: so

00:23:06: Can you say something about india?

00:23:08: What did?

00:23:09: what Did You notice In India?

00:23:11: So on one hand You have the goddess.

00:23:18: worship is still so much more alive Because there are still goddesses that are actively worshipped everywhere The big ones but also smaller local once.

00:23:30: and So what I see as kind of pre patriarchal?

00:23:34: Worship, and rituals or you're still more present than especially in Europe.

00:23:39: I don't know about New Zealand.

00:23:42: And At the same time, there is this really intense patriarchal society in which the mother is kind of revered but also women are agressed so much.

00:23:59: So

00:24:00: I find when i'm here that I am always in a dichotomy on one hand being able to tune-in with the abundance and flow, and intuition... ...and surrender.

00:24:14: And beauty!

00:24:16: The flowers… …the smells.. …a kind of ecstatic sense of beauty.

00:24:25: Then at same time in day-to-day life there is a shutting down of the feminine body let's say in order not to attract too much attention or not to engage.

00:24:43: Because there's always kind of this danger possibly, you know?

00:24:48: Not in Orville itself which is a beautiful community but it's... It's not closed off from the rest of India nor should be But that comes with that yeah And thats also one reason why I wanted spend more time here on Crete because I could really feel that my body was opening up and where short, shorts or skirts are just the freedom of expression.

00:25:20: Not having to hide in cover-up certain parts of a body which is freeing and necessary for me In my journey... ...I already worked with women's circles and the somatic expressions And I felt that it was really harmful for me to stay longer in an environment where had two kind of close off parts my body instead letting them open.

00:25:50: So, yeah... That is much easier here on Crete with the sea and beaches and beauty of summer.

00:26:00: Then there's this added element of past which actually alive in nature.

00:26:06: somehow There are many places like where there's a well or source, the spring.

00:26:13: Or on top of a mountain... ...or by a cave or big tree Where there has been worship most likely to goddess for thousands years.

00:26:25: Maybe now there is small chapel maybe nothing anymore But still you can sense this sacredness.

00:26:34: Yeah, this worship that has been there and This is one of my yeah most favorite things to do here.

00:26:44: To bring women there again And to kind of tie continue the Re-establish the lineage in a different way Of course because we cannot go back to the past nor it's necessary but The to reconnect with that.

00:27:02: the worship of nature Refining a way of expressing ourselves to ritual is very powerful.

00:27:10: Not only for women, but it comes very easily to women and when there's a circle of women also... It is very powerfull as I'm sure you know.

00:27:22: Yeah

00:27:23: Yes thankyoufor sharing!

00:27:25: I have this experience in New Zealand & Germany.

00:27:27: Also being different from my birth country in Germany And i've especially having traveled between those two countries in the last few years, I noticed it more distinctly when i arrived at the other one.

00:27:43: And noticing how New Zealand was for me also like this really almost a virgin very fresh feminine place that is still powerful.

00:27:56: there's a feminine potent feminine force that can be super easily underestimated because dangerous animal living here, but there are volcanoes and they're as intense cold on the mountains.

00:28:09: And people die in a wild bush because they get lost or break their leg and don't have...are not prepared.

00:28:16: so There's a ferociousness.

00:28:19: still.

00:28:19: is danger of that?

00:28:21: It comes with very sweet face maybe With freshness virgin virginity.

00:28:29: I mean really this whole unto herself-ness.

00:28:33: There's a pureness in the clean, clear water and fresh air.

00:28:37: It seldom gets really muggy hot or it gets hot in summer but there is usually still a fresh-air tint with cold southerly wind coming up.

00:28:49: And then there is Germany where its this old ancient birth mother.

00:28:56: so much life has happened in Germany, and so much drama as well or so much war has happened there.

00:29:02: But underneath is this really old Germanic alt-speating.

00:29:08: I find it interesting also that yes It's not about going back And at the same time its also harvesting or resourcing like plugging back with our roots into drawing wisdom.

00:29:22: we may have forgotten we may have cut it, like being as women especially been violently cut off from.

00:29:29: and to pull that forth.

00:29:31: And I think maybe the pyramid of pause or the years of change return into power is also that awakening of remembering.

00:29:42: okay so how do i connect to this power?

00:29:46: That I am gifted... As a woman right!

00:29:48: We are gifted this power for free being easily able to connect with that?

00:29:57: Yes, absolutely.

00:29:59: And I feel in those years around our forties and fifties there's often this kind of longing... This awakening happening over a longing is not all.

00:30:12: There are more to it like we know.

00:30:14: somewhere Our soul is craving for more than what our culture provides no meaning, no connection.

00:30:25: No frame that supports beauty... ...that supports celebration or life lived from within.

00:30:36: and I feel in those bare menopause of years there's a kind sense like yeah i know there is more!

00:30:45: And also an anger at the injustices patriarchy or this society, capitalism etc.

00:30:56: is forcing upon women and other groups right?

00:31:02: Everyone who doesn't sit at the top of the hierarchy.

00:31:06: And so This then awakens this rage in this fury and this anger that Is so potent because for me That's really to return to power To embrace that Not shan'ed Or not put it away as like, oh I have to be a nice girl.

00:31:24: I cannot be angry or you know anger is low frequency emotion and all these things are really harmful.

00:31:31: i find when we actually can embody the anger its something so powerful right?

00:31:37: It could bring us into full yes-to life also very clear no understanding what serves does not serve.

00:31:48: And often that, I mean it is of course personal but also very much a social thing because... It's often to do with abuse.

00:31:59: Where we have say no i don't want that anymore.

00:32:02: and then an awakening like didn't just happen.

00:32:06: for me so many women this not okay.

00:32:13: being able to voice especially when we come together and can support each other in that, then it becomes so powerful.

00:32:20: It becomes a force for change because if you don't get angry or say no to this anymore nothing is going to change.

00:32:30: We just keep enabling the system of abuse Especially with men who would also be on board which I hope at least seems.

00:32:41: there are some signs saying like, hey this is not good enough anymore and they're speaking up against other men.

00:32:53: I just returned from two-and-a half months in Orville.

00:32:56: a lot of my work was around women's anger there but also i did one circle for men.

00:33:01: it was the first time i did that because i always felt like it should be a man who does that.

00:33:06: But then at this time i felt so strongly That i really wanted to create space for men To touch with their sense of righteous anger, like the tenderness of their heart and courage to speak up when there is abuse.

00:33:25: When they feel that maybe a friend or family member is going too far That they can call it back.

00:33:33: Or even you know...when certain remarks are made They say hey..that's not okay Because I really think if this doesn't happen It's very hard to stop it.

00:33:47: And because there are so many women now that are awakening through this, There is also the sense of like hey come on guys get with it!

00:33:57: Come one you have do your part and So... You know its not our responsibility change but yes I mean we..it is very much i feel a part what the awakening of the feminine about actually To call out injustice, to call out violation of the sacredness of life.

00:34:22: And what I hear also too called when you didn't say it this way but i hear that behind.

00:34:27: yeah so the work that you're doing with men is call in the man as well.

00:34:31: hey come on board be part of the team that takes a stand for life on this planet and that resonates with me of this clarity that women's work is never just It's always also for men, if it is an authentic body of work that is about coming into our authentic selves then there are...it´s always more than just the women.

00:35:01: Yes and

00:35:03: I want to know more about your anger work because i have been working with anger a lot.

00:35:08: how did you find out?

00:35:09: How do come across fire from anger bringing this in world?

00:35:17: Yeah, really a pair of menopause.

00:35:20: Experiencing myself the sense of clarity and alignment that it brings to express anger and move beyond it like the power or decisions I'm able make because i've tuned in with my anger.

00:35:41: they feel so much more in alignment of what I want to be in the world and how i want to serve, And there is just a big power that comes from it.

00:35:56: Then...I did this very beautiful online container last autumn which was all about inner fire.

00:36:04: The Permanent Post Transition as a Rite Of Passage served as a red thread to the initiation, was going into Sacred Rage.

00:36:20: As an embodiment practice of shaking out and using a lot of voice... ...and going in to that sacred space of trance where it starts perhaps with anger or rage at the same time doorway into a full aliveness, like kind of an alive force energy that we tap into.

00:36:47: And so yeah anger and passion are two sides to the same coin.

00:36:55: That practice just expands our sense of feeling alive.

00:37:00: It has this power of alchemizing.

00:37:03: So whether you go in with deep-anger frustration or just an abundance, the inspiration of life then it moves through us.

00:37:13: It flows through and we come out with a very clear sense of clarity.

00:37:21: while also honoring this space before that I actually find that important to kind of pause or the liminal space.

00:37:31: so... Through practice of shaking-out voicing especially communally when create a kind of the field we created together.

00:37:46: Yeah, it's very hard to find words for what actually happens but...

00:37:51: Because there is an experience right?

00:37:54: Yes and let say this let's say a trans-experience.

00:38:01: And then at some point There's a moment where the shaking stops The voicing stops peace and nothingness, an emptiness a liminal moment when we are fully in the present moment which isn't in the past it's not in the future.

00:38:22: It really just there where we are And that is often something that we skip over In our society right.

00:38:30: so I find it really important to stay There.

00:38:32: its like our bleed also this moment in between the end of one phase and before beginning over next like a dark moon moment.

00:38:43: And when we spend time there, learn how to hold that not rush out it but really be with the precious medicine that is offers then... We come back from so much clarity in wisdom for how can show up in situations that have brought us that anger or that fury, or the rage.

00:39:13: Yeah within whatever is possible for us and I find it always important to stress you know we can show up as much as we want too.

00:39:25: And then there's also okay somehow reality will meet us.

00:39:29: but this not always the case sometimes its.

00:39:33: It's a very deep structural pattern that requires multiple rounds of change and sometimes it may not be something we can change, especially also depending on the privilege in society.

00:39:51: And I just want to add this anger is really important for us women too... I need other woman's anger by my side.

00:40:02: so if So that we stay awake with each other, the clarity doesn't get watered down by this these mantras that are floating around outside of us and also inside of us sometimes.

00:40:14: Yeah

00:40:15: often times

00:40:17: yeah exactly.

00:40:17: there's um sorry

00:40:20: oh just not just...the potential of sisterhood like an authentic sisterhood even though we're not blood sisters but women.

00:40:26: solidarity friendship or whatever you want to call it, but being really radically by each other's side I think is a game-shifter.

00:40:35: Game changer.

00:40:36: Optimizing as well this feminine... birthing the feminine into the world again

00:40:43: Yeah and anger like he said breaks through the cliches right?

00:40:47: That's very powerful that we can break through.

00:40:52: sometimes The thought patterns might have helped us at some point.

00:40:58: you know, even within a lot of new age spirituality there can be so many things that we just take on as like oh we should accept acceptance is a beautiful thing.

00:41:08: Well yeah no not always.

00:41:10: it can actually be very harmful You know this?

00:41:13: So... We can harm ourselves by thinking Oh I have to be in constant acceptance.

00:41:20: well if there's abuse then oh we shouldn't in acceptance.

00:41:25: And I think that's especially tricky for women because most women are so used to abuse, even in spiritual contexts it can be really hard to detect.

00:41:35: So the acceptance thing could just another layer of that.

00:41:40: Absolutely Yeah okay!

00:41:42: So much to...

00:41:45: Yes we get the sense i could speak with you longer and maybe will pick up at another time.

00:41:53: I want to finish or have two questions left with me.

00:41:57: One is related to the anger, but also anything else where you would recommend a practice something really practical that women can do to come closer to their feminine power?

00:42:07: Or they're anger?

00:42:08: what Would You recommend on practice?

00:42:11: yeah my favorite practice.

00:42:12: so Also because i work as an embodiment therapist it's Really just shaking It out not Just exactly really powerful But I say just because it is very simple in a way.

00:42:25: So, i have a lot of powerful music to support that and...I think you will put my link so we'll put my Spotify account there too cause'there's so much beautiful wild woman music out there.

00:42:40: Yeah!

00:42:40: I love it.

00:42:41: yeah..i've got lots of playlists really supporting like the shaking out coming into your body gets amplified when we can allow the voice to connect with that, so express also what is coming up.

00:42:57: Which can really be like animal sounds or groaning or howling or screaming or whispering whatever it is.

00:43:05: but then we allowed this expression to come out through the voice because its a body and the voice And maybe there are words that come.

00:43:19: Sometimes, you know in the spaces I create in person it's actually often some co-created chance that happen not necessarily musical.

00:43:30: sometimes they end up being screams... ...sometimes their howls or voice carpets.

00:43:39: but this is really very much part of medicine and even when you practice on your own I feel the becoming comfortable with your voice in different ways of expressing itself is really, for me was a complete game changer.

00:44:00: I'm curious about shaking out because yeah i have experimented not to shake it but more and that comes from context called feelings.

00:44:10: practitioner's putting this reusing its not getting rid off energy like you say life force.

00:44:16: I want to keep that energy and it's not, i don't want to have its stuck but bringing more into flow or letting it circulate in the resonance tissue.

00:44:25: That supports this energy best which is the bone structure.

00:44:30: so then goes onto the bones and makes me a stronger warrior.

00:44:34: or this uprightness of clarity?

00:44:38: Have you experimented with

00:44:39: that?".

00:44:41: Yes!

00:44:44: Thanks for calling out because When I mean shake it out, i don't actually mean shake It Out.

00:44:54: For me its a way of allowing the parts Of our body that are in freeze or fight Or flight and phone mode to open up.

00:45:08: So when we bring kind an aliveness into the body, then emotions find a lot more space to express themselves and we come in this flow state.

00:45:22: I came from kind of an expressive movement background.

00:45:28: so for me it's very important not say that you have to move like this or feel that i usually create connect very much with the archetype and then we just see what comes up.

00:45:41: So if that means you need to take power within, but sometimes it's something different.

00:45:48: It depends so much where are also in your journey.

00:45:50: Sometimes I can feel my shoulders move.

00:45:55: actually they've been stuck.

00:45:58: My feet are grounding on the floor.

00:46:01: That is already important.

00:46:05: And yeah... Sometimes it is good to shake out and release, sometimes we hold so much that's not ours.

00:46:15: But I think once you have cleared a lot then yes its more about this sense of like.

00:46:20: oh wow...I've got all the power and energy circulating through me.

00:46:24: what if i hold instead of shutting down or just giving away?

00:46:30: Yeah

00:46:32: there are lots of energies that we can use.

00:46:36: I have so much energy and can feel the heat rise now in me.

00:46:40: Like, whoa it's coming!

00:46:42: And i want to use that as like wow... It is there for us to utilize..and its an intense experience being a human physical body if we don't shut ourselves down.

00:46:53: If you allow this to be here ,it has been an intensive experience .And if we haven't learned how dance with them they seem overwhelming.

00:46:59: So yeah ..I'm glad your working

00:47:04: on these things Wonderful.

00:47:08: Spaces, they're raw edge spaces.

00:47:12: I'm very happy to connect and have this soul sisterhood across the world.

00:47:21: It's when we are living on an edge it is so important To have these like-hearted connections.

00:47:30: Yes!

00:47:31: I agree.

00:47:32: I am glad Anything else you want us say before we close our recording?

00:47:39: I feel a deep gratitude for, yeah the work that you do and also really for the format.

00:47:47: I really love this courageous move of just inviting someone who don't know!

00:47:57: Obviously there was connection through me but it's... It is a beautiful embodiment a role of conversations to just see what happens in the aliveness between us.

00:48:15: So thank you for that, I really appreciate it!

00:48:18: I appreciate your going first as well this was our first in this format and i'm glad you're mentioning Mia.

00:48:24: Mia Harrison facilitated this conversation.

00:48:28: she sourced your contact and reached out.

00:48:30: so much gratitude her too organizing.

00:48:35: Yeah, let's see.

00:48:36: It is fun so can highly recommend.

00:48:39: I think i'll do another one.

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